Glaze Recipe Formatting Standards.

[George Lewter]

To maximize the usefulness of the database some standardization is in order, particularly if you are entering recipes manually.  It might be too much work to rework all of a batch of several hundred recipes (though that is what I'm doing with the 475 cone 6 recipes in the Sankey Glazes) before submitting them. 

We may need to divide up our group recipes and do maintenance on them by editing them within the Insight-Live application.

The first and probably most important standard is in the Name Field.

It should be in the form of -- Original Name Cone Surface

unless one of the descriptive items is already in the title 

Examples

C Harris Temoku Cone 6 Semi-gloss

Cone 6 Gloss Base

Black Matte Cone 6

VC 71 Cone 6 Matte

The ingredient fields should be filled in with names of ingredients rather than cryptic abreviations, eg. nepheline syenite rather than neph syn, EPK kaolin rather than EPK, Red iron oxide rather than RIO, Kentucky Ball Clay OM4 rather than OM4.

We will need to discuss further ingredients vs. add-ins. and the normalization of recipes to 100 plus add-ins. We may also want to discuss the notes that accompany recipes. For instance, we always want to credit the creator of a recipe and modifications as completely as possible.

 

[Tony Hansen]

I added a Conventions heading in the Help section at Insight-Live.com with this note about glaze naming:

Classifying Recipes: We do not provide dedicated database fields to classify recipes in many ways (eg. color, surface, cone, transparency, etc), rather, these principle characteristics should be embodied in the title (for example, "G1214Z matte cone 6 colorless base glaze"). This avoids the danger of over-classifying and mis-classifying recipes. Most often a glaze, for example, can be many things depending on how it is fired, applied, its thickness, its interaction with the body and other glazes, etc. Attempts to pigeonhole glazes by explicitly defining multiple discreet characteristics often takes a tunnel-vision view of its dynamic nature across varying temperatures and processes. Over-classification also narrows opportunities for use and can demonstrate an ignorance of the mechanisms of some of the characteristics (these can be tenuous and difficult to duplicate). Thus the glaze name or title should be understood as a description from the original contributor to introduce us to the glaze. When we add the testing component to the system, the physical characteristics of a glaze under varying conditions will be evident by test results, not classification. Membership in multiple categories can be established by the type coding mechanism of the site, by linking and by keywords in the description field.

[George Lewter]

When logging in to the group recipe database, use your user ID, not your email address (which you can use for your individual account login). If you don't know your user ID, contact me and I'll get it for you.
Whenever you are adding to the notes for a glaze, please start with your name and date.

[George Lewter]

This was a comment by Sylvia Shirley. I've moved it here so it can be a threaded topic.

Printing works great on Google Chrome. Normally my recipes add up to 100 and then the colorants are additions to that.  In the Insight recipes those colorants worked are worked into the 100%.  So that's different than I'm used to.  

Can I enter a recipe directly instead of uploading it?  I thought I saw that somewhere but can't remember.  Maybe I need to re-watch a video to find out how.  This is fun.

[George Lewter]

The recipes listed so far were just added from various sources in their original format. We should all stick to the normalized 100% for the base glaze plus percentage adds of colorants, stabilizers, opacifiers, etc. when we add recipes. Anyone wanting to work extensively with an existing recipe could recreate it in normalized format. Extreme care needs to be taken to convert to normalized format. It is quite easy to make a math error that results in a much different glaze. We should post the math procedure to do the conversion correctly.

Yes, you can add a recipe manually. It's not difficult, and it will get easier as Tony adds materials, so the material names will autocomplete when you start typing them.

[George Lewter]

Now that members are working on glazes, it is clear that some procedures are not understood.

Typecodes are one such area and are easily explained.
Before working on a glaze, expand the list of Typecodes in the left column for reference while editing a recipe.
It should look like:
ASH - Ash or Fake Ash

 C10 - Cone 10

 CLA - Clayart Import

 CN6 - Cone 6 glaze

 GLS - Gloss

 LIC - Lichen or Crawl

 MAT - Matte Glaze

 NTX - No Toxic Ingredients to Leach

 OPQ - Opaque

 RGM - Imported GlazMaster recipes

 SAT - Semi-gloss thru Semi-Matte

 SKY - Sankey Glaze Imports

 TFS - Tested Food Safe

 TOX - Probable Toxic Leaching

 UST - Unstable Glaze - Decorative use only

In your recipe, just type in the first 3 capitalized letters of the typecode, add a space and type in the first three letters of the next typecode, add a space . . . until you have entered all of the typecodes you want to use for that glaze. Don't add the details ... they will be added automatically when you Save your changes.

Coming soon - explanation of Glaze names and numeric codes.

[George Lewter]

Tony is working on a method for adding all the minor variations of a recipe as selection choices under the main recipe. (like colorant variations, opacifiers, stabilizers, etc. in the "Adds" section).

Variations in the base section of the recipe will still be dealt with as separate recipes and will retain our existing titling and coding standards.

Example:

C6G-1001 Juicy Fruit Cone 6 Satin (for the original recipe)

C6G-1001-02 Juicy Fruit Cone 6 Satin (for a reformulated version and not just different colorants)

[George Lewter]

Recipe Names and Code Numbering - Please Hold on This Procedure, as Recent changes have removed the Autonumbering feature. Will need to get that back, before we can use this.

We have a huge number of recipes that were imported from the Sankey glaze database. They came in without code numbers.  We can use this fact to distinguish between recipes that have not been used or tested by our members from those that have. 

Anytime you test a recipe or add a picture or notes to an uncoded recipe that you are familiar with, go ahead and click the autonumber button to add a number code to that recipe. Any time you add one of your own glazes to the database, go ahead and autonumber it as well. That way we can tell at a glance without opening them, which recipes have history with our group. 

It would help the process along, if you go through the unnumbered recipes and see if any of them are ones that you are already using.  If so, please make a priority of checking the ingredient quantities, adding your notes and pictures to them, and then number coding them.

[Jan Wallace]

No problem George. I think that is a good idea and will help us distinguinsh between the recipes. I have been looking through the sankey glazes and recognised a couple of recipes that have the same ingredients and that I have tested, so I will add pictures when I get a chance. I will auto number them when I do this.

[Jan Wallace]

George, I am guessing you added the bolded comment after I posted my last reply. I went into Insight today and added a pic for one of the 'Floating Red' recipes and noticed that when I went to auto assign a number, it gave it a number that would be used for the variation of another glaze. Checked myself what number came next and gave it C6G-1021 Floating Red. I can hold off adding pics for recipes I have used in the Sankey database list until you fix the issue, or I can give it the next available number?

[Marina Reijsmeijer (Kleierij)]

But what do the C6G C6S C6B mean? I suppose I should choose one of those?

[George Lewter]

C6G cone 6 glaze

C6S cone 6 slips and engobes

C6B cone 6 clay bodies

[Chantay Poulsen]

George,

While looking at a glaze I had previously entered I saw that an ingredient was entered incorrectly.  I had entered Whiting.  So I look in the materials database and saw that Calcium Carbonate was the material listed.  After changing the name of the ingredient, it remained highlighted.  Is there another material name?

I also wonder if the search function for glazes could be improved.  It appears that the glaze name must be written in exactly.  With the numerous parts to the glaze name it makes it difficult to remember.  Should in the future the data base enlarge a great deal it will be more difficult to find a specific glaze.  Can the search function be made to pull up any glaze with a part of the name?  An example is Selsor Tenmoku.  After entering into the search box, any glaze with either word would come up.  Maybe this is possible already, or another way and I have missed it some how. If so I apologize for my failure to discover this.

-chantay