Glaze Recipe Formatting Standards.

[George Lewter]

To maximize the usefulness of the database some standardization is in order, particularly if you are entering recipes manually.  It might be too much work to rework all of a batch of several hundred recipes (though that is what I'm doing with the 475 cone 6 recipes in the Sankey Glazes) before submitting them. 

We may need to divide up our group recipes and do maintenance on them by editing them within the Insight-Live application.

The first and probably most important standard is in the Name Field.

It should be in the form of -- Original Name Cone Surface

unless one of the descriptive items is already in the title 

Examples

C Harris Temoku Cone 6 Semi-gloss

Cone 6 Gloss Base

Black Matte Cone 6

VC 71 Cone 6 Matte

The ingredient fields should be filled in with names of ingredients rather than cryptic abreviations, eg. nepheline syenite rather than neph syn, EPK kaolin rather than EPK, Red iron oxide rather than RIO, Kentucky Ball Clay OM4 rather than OM4.

We will need to discuss further ingredients vs. add-ins. and the normalization of recipes to 100 plus add-ins. We may also want to discuss the notes that accompany recipes. For instance, we always want to credit the creator of a recipe and modifications as completely as possible.

 

[Norm Stuart]

Chantay - When you search for a raw material, you always have to click the "Show reference materials" box.

This is the materials search for whiting.

You find four ingredients in italics and one in bold.

Again, to see the Digitalfire ingredients you need to check the Show reference materials box.

The ingredients in Italics are provided by Digitalfire

Calcium Carbonate

and impure forms of Calcium Carbonate which have been traditionally used.

Nezumi Sekkai Whiting

Shiro Sekkai Whiting

Vapenec Whiting

The ingredients in bold are ingredients we created and manage.  This is a last resort.

Chalk - which has a lot of additional synonyms for Whiting

So now I create a new recipe called Lots of Chalk containing nothing but Calcium Carbonate. 

I also clicked on the materials Calcium Carbonate, Chalk and Nezumi Sekkai Whiting  just to show you what's in them.  Calcium Carbonate and Chalk are identical, but Nezumi Sekkai Whiting has a lot of other impurities.

Notice in my recipe I can call this raw material  the Digitalfire name, Calcium Carbonate or any of the Alternate Names Digitalfire or we provide.

It's not a surprise that Digitalfire says the chemistry of "Lots of Chalk" is 1 part Calcium Oxide after firing, with 43.9% LOI during firing.  Since the residual 0.1 carbon dioxide shown is not in the Raw Material listing, I assume this must be something added in the wisdom of the Digitalfire analysis program.

Digitalfire does not recognize spelling errors.

The last ingredient Calcium  Carbonate has two spaces between Calcium and Carbonate, so it's not recognized.

Chantay Poulsen said:

George,

While looking at a glaze I had previously entered I saw that an ingredient was entered incorrectly.  I had entered Whiting.  So I look in the materials database and saw that Calcium Carbonate was the material listed.  After changing the name of the ingredient, it remained highlighted.  Is there another material name?

-chantay

[Norm Stuart]

Chantay - When you ask a database a question, learn not to be too specific.

But spell correctly, or as incorrectly as the person who entered the recipe did.

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This is the search result for tenmoku

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This is the search result for temmouku

Unfortunately in the transliteration of Japanese characters, both spellings became correct in English.

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This is the search result for selsor

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This is the search result for selzer, a popular beverage

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and if I'm too specific this is the result for Marcia Selsor Temmoku

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Notice you don't have to commit yourself by spelling an entire word.

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Chantay Poulsen said:

George,

I also wonder if the search function for glazes could be improved.  It appears that the glaze name must be written in exactly.  With the numerous parts to the glaze name it makes it difficult to remember.  Should in the future the data base enlarge a great deal it will be more difficult to find a specific glaze.  Can the search function be made to pull up any glaze with a part of the name?  An example is Selsor Tenmoku.  After entering into the search box, any glaze with either word would come up.  Maybe this is possible already, or another way and I have missed it some how. If so I apologize for my failure to discover this.

-chantay

[Chantay Poulsen]

Norm,

thanks for the info.  I will have to go back and look at the recipe I entered  to see if I miss spelled Calcium Carbonate.  I am laughing about the "Tenmoku."  I thought is was spelled with two "m", but questioned myself, as I don't have that much glaze experience.  I was copying from someone else notes.

-chantay

[Norm Stuart]

I changed all of the recipes which were Reduction-fired Temmokus to a double M, and the oxidation Tenmokus to an nm.

I'll continue to edit the names this way, but I'm sure my spelling protocol is lost on everyone else in the world.

[Donna Kat]

Question, are not the ingredients limited to what is in the database of materials? I know that the database does have additional names so if I type in neph, it will replace it with Nepheline Syenite. If I type something that isn't in the AKA then it leaves a marker by the name and does not give the correct analysis. Have things changed?

[Norm Stuart]

Donna - It's good to see a database contributor back here. Thanks. Some tips for everyone.

In the Insight-Live Database I just added 50 grams of "sand" to my recipe for "Green Dragon". It's not an ingredient in the reference database or our database so it saves as:

" *sand "  and it's not underlined because it's not a clickable link.

Sand doesn't add to the chemistry --  but it does change the Percentage Calculations  --  because the recipe total is now 150.76 grams rather than 100.76.grams

So for example the LOI with sand is 7.4% rather than 11.1% - but the Unity Formula remains unchanged.

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I wish when entering a name it could bring up a search list inside the recipe, but if it could do this at one time it can't now. It would likely slow the database considerably - and Tony made some changes to speed things up.

So when I add an ingredient which get's starred I need to click on "Our Materials" and do a search.

Notice I can "Search Reference Materials" or "Search Ours" which is a very short list of stuff some of us have added.  We can also add synonyms as you noted.

Here I searched for " neph " to find my name options.

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When we first bought Indian Mahavir Potash from Laguna Clay it wasn't in the database, so I added the entry on the right to "Our Materials".  Now that Tony has added his on the left I can delete mine.

Notice that I can't edit the "Reference Material" on the left,  but I can edit "My Material" on the right.

The chemistry I entered from Laguna is slightly different from the chemistry Tony added for the Reference Material.

Notice too, until I delete it, if you enter "PF01" in a recipe you will get my chemistry, but if you add "Mahavir Potash Feldspar" you will get the Reference chemistry rather than mine because the reference name supersedes any material with the same name in "Our Materials"

I can only preview both materials at the same time like this only through the magic of Photoshop copy and paste.

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Donna Kat said:

Question, are not the ingredients limited to what is in the database of materials? I know that the database does have additional names so if I type in neph, it will replace it with Nepheline Syenite. If I type something that isn't in the AKA then it leaves a marker by the name and does not give the correct analysis. Have things changed?