Cone 6 pink varigations?

[robert arias]

I"m currently working on a series of fat ladys and their 7 deadly sins.  I was wondering if anybody knows of any pink or flesh tone glazes with varigations that i could use for the works?  I currently am doing some test tiles with a pink icing glaze that we have at the studio as an underglaze with an over glaze of some sort or another but was just looking and asking to maybe save time.  Was hoping to see my test tile results today but the shop closed before I could get to them plus the kiln was still and 465 ... to hot. 

[juli long]

Robert I saw some glazes on a blog site called glazeitorium. There were about 24 pictures with recipes for cone 6 glazes. One was a light pink.  Not a flesh tone, just a light pink. I don't know anything about them, and havnt tried them.  Its always fun looking at glaze pictures.

juli

[Norm Stuart]

Painting natural looking skin requires multiple colors because skin contains multiple colors.

When I wanted a reliable skin tone I found an online seller offering a variety of skin colors made with multiple Mason stains.

I bought a pound made of six different mason stains pre-mixed together. Seen below.

I lightened this custom Maston Stain mixture with zircopax and darkened it with Mason Stain 6600 Best Black. I first used a red underglaze as a wash to help determine the different intensities of red.

[robert arias]

Thanks Juli, I'll have a look. And thanx Norm I remember your piece.  I'm looking for more than just one skin tone.  I know I'll have to experiment with shades of oxide maybe ... 

juli long said:

Robert I saw some glazes on a blog site called glazeitorium. There were about 24 pictures with recipes for cone 6 glazes. One was a light pink.  Not a flesh tone, just a light pink. I don't know anything about them, and havnt tried them.  Its always fun looking at glaze pictures.

juli

[Norm Stuart]

Mason Stain discontinued their stain version of flesh, which is less convincing.  But they offer a mixing chart for discontinued stains. http://www.masoncolor.com/inventory.asp

These colors are destroyed unless the glaze they're mixed in contain, 6.7% to 8.4% Calcium and no Zinc.

Mason 6098 Flesh Color (Discontinued) 

55%  6067  Pink Extender (Tin and Calcium)

27%  6700  White (or Zircopax)

  9%  6404  Vanadium Gold (Tin and Vanadium)

  9%  6001  Alpine Rose (Tin and Chrome)

6067 Pink Extender can be hard to find. It is primarily Tin Oxide with 8% Calcium to prevent the Alpine Rose and Vanadium Gold from being destroyed in the glaze mix and losing their color.

So the original Mason 6098 Flesh really consisted of only two primary colors:

Vanadium Gold

and Alpine Rose

With this Result: Mason 6098 "Flesh Color" (discontinued)

The Mason stain mix I purchased also contains red, blues, and browns - in addition to gold, pink, and white.

I also first used a wash of "Really Red" stain on the bisque in different intensities on the bisque before applying the Mason stain mixture.

For lighter areas of the skin I added more zircopax, and for darker areas I added the slightest bit of Mason 6600 Best Black.

I think the result is far more realistic.

Complex issues like accurate skin tone rarely have a simple solution.

[Norm Stuart]

Differing intensities of red make up most skin color.  Red with White and Red with Black.

Here are three photos:

left - Red, White and Black only;

middle - the Original;

right - all colors other than Red.

In the photo on the left, you almost can't tell that all the other colors are missing from the skin. It's just Red, White and Black.

This is really helpful in glazing because Red Mason Stain is very robust, while Pink Mason Stains are easily destroyed by the wrong glaze chemistry.

The custom mix of Mason Stains I purchased contains no pink Mason Stains.

You can see the custom "skin tone" Mason Stain I bought also reflects mostly red, which I mixed with white or black for different shades. But this Mason Stain combination is a combination of tiny bits of many other colors which make up make up the well-rounded red.

[Jennifer Arthur]

Hi,
You have probably already resolved your pink glaze but in case you haven't.
This glaze, and I'm sorry I don't know where it came from, is thickness dependant.

I dipped a small bowl, it was fired to around cone 6 but is actually a cone 7 recipe.

Blue/green/yellow/pink (depends on thickness)

6.0    Silica
5.0    China Clay16.0   Zinc Oxide
33.0   Potash Feldspar
39.0   Barium carbonate
0.5     Nickel Oxide
3.0     Titanium dioxide

Where it was quite thick it was really pink, thin, a lovely mauvey blue.

I'm going to do some more test tiles.

I should have taken a pic before starting this, I'll do it tomorrow and post it on the site.

Good luck

[robert arias]

To Jennifer Juli and Norm:

Thank you all soooo much for all your input towards my fat ladies.  After some forethought, I decided to mix it up a bit and have designated different colors for each deadly sin.  Sloth-grey, Pride-blue, Envy-green (obvious), Wrath-red, Lust-purple, Gluttony-pink (the only pink I used was an Icing Pink Norm made) and Greed-black.  I may change the greed to a different color but I haven't constructed her as yet so I have "imagined" it fully. Unfortunately I've been having construction issues as the forms are complex.  I also inadvertently added a sin which isn't in the mix and constructed a Vanity as well.  The construction was successful but the glazing firing caused it to crack in places that showed no signs of cracking.  The same happened with my Envy.  I uploaded the pics of Envy and Vanity at their bisque stages and at the glaze stage so you all can see my progress and the failure.  I currently have Gluttony in the kiln.  Sloth is pristine! The rest are yet to come.  The Vanity was my mistake all around but there's the lesson. ...