Issues firing Duncan Teacher Plus Kiln to Cone 6 - Electric Mid&Hi Fired Ceramics2024-03-28T19:40:29Zhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/issues-firing-duncan-teacher-plus-kiln-to-cone-6?commentId=2103784%3AComment%3A91772&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGet the proper ohm readings f…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2013-12-02:2103784:Comment:917722013-12-02T05:54:37.465ZBrent Farlerhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/BrentFarler
<p>Get the proper ohm readings from the manufacturer. the resistance varies by coil length. Amp readings are supposedly more accurate but I don't have the meter to measure maybe your hb has the right meter to measure amps being pulled by each coil under full load.I don't think the meter is cheap. Paragon gave me the general rule that if ohms is 2 over what it should be then it is time to replace the coil.</p>
<p>I haven't had the same issues with relays but the contacts will show increased…</p>
<p>Get the proper ohm readings from the manufacturer. the resistance varies by coil length. Amp readings are supposedly more accurate but I don't have the meter to measure maybe your hb has the right meter to measure amps being pulled by each coil under full load.I don't think the meter is cheap. Paragon gave me the general rule that if ohms is 2 over what it should be then it is time to replace the coil.</p>
<p>I haven't had the same issues with relays but the contacts will show increased resistance with wear. So where you are measuring your resistance can give you a different reading. Measure your coils with the power off can give you a different reading than measuring with the power on. Paragon taught me to measure the ohms at the relay outputs to the coils with the full power on (not for the faint of heart). The coils will give you a different reading cold than hot. You want to know what it is hot.</p>
<p>Not sure if that will help but I have already told you more than I know. George is right, getting to know your kiln and doing the replacements as preventative maintenance rather than as a repair is cheaper in the long run. A single ruined load will balance out the 'savings' of using end of life coils and relays.</p>
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<p></p> The hotter your kiln is the m…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2013-12-01:2103784:Comment:916782013-12-01T06:21:46.092ZNorm Stuarthttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/NormStuart
<p>The hotter your kiln is the more vibrant the color you'll see radiating through the peephole from the shelves and ware in the kiln. </p>
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<p><strong>It's not a smart idea to look directly into the kiln</strong>, unless you're wearing special lenses to block the infra-red radiation which can damage your retinas.</p>
<p>This pdf file shows you the different colors to expect, and by watching a firing you'll quickly learn to identify each of them.…</p>
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<p>The hotter your kiln is the more vibrant the color you'll see radiating through the peephole from the shelves and ware in the kiln. </p>
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<p><strong>It's not a smart idea to look directly into the kiln</strong>, unless you're wearing special lenses to block the infra-red radiation which can damage your retinas.</p>
<p>This pdf file shows you the different colors to expect, and by watching a firing you'll quickly learn to identify each of them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ceramicartdaily.net/PMI/KilnFiringChart.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ceramicartdaily.net/PMI/KilnFiringChart.pdf</a></p>
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<p><strong>The two primary components which burn-out and need to be replaced are the coils and the relays.</strong></p>
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<p>The easiest test is the "Paper Test". Simply place a small slip of folded paper under each heating element and fire your kiln at Fast with the lid open. The paper fold helps hold the paper in place between the heating element and the brick.</p>
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<p>Watch for five minutes or so as each paper begins to char and burn. One or more of the papers will not char because the element is not producing heat. If all of the elements which are not working are controlled by one of the two relays, then suspect it's likely the relay than the elements.</p>
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<p>Measuring coil resistance can find heating elements which heat, but not as much heat as they're supposed to produce. But in my experience it's not more useful than using strips of paper.</p>
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<p>In talking with kiln engineers I've learned that power relays on our Cress kiln are designed to last longer than the heating elements - but not a whole lot longer. This means we replace our power relays at the same time we rewire our kiln.</p>
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<p>During this last cycle my partner ran an experiment, by not replacing the relays when we rewired the kiln. In addition, we replaced broken heating elements one or two at a time as they broke. We won't be doing this again, but we learned a number of things during this 18 month experiment.</p>
<p>1.) By the time a kiln doesn't reach temperature, at least one or more heating elements have not been working for some time. Once we lose a third element, the kiln doesn't reach temperature.</p>
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<p>2.) In some kilns you can spot these initial element breaks from a longer than normal firing time, which is why we keep a kiln log (much easier to collect information with a computerized kiln controller). Unfortunately our kiln has so much reserve heat production that the firing time is exactly the same until we lose a third element, at which point the computer stops firing at Cone 01 because the temperature is not rising fast enough.</p>
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<p>3.) When we some replaced elements, it wasn't too many firings after that point that many more of the elements needed replacing. So once one element goes, we now replace the entire $205 set of all of them - about once a year.</p>
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<p>4.) In our kiln it's not very sensible or safe to not replace the two $60 relays when we rewire the kiln. Why? Because the relays didn't last much more than two months past the wire life. Relays can occasionally fail in an "on position" where the kiln does not turn off even when the controller tells them to. Coming back to a kiln which has been constantly on for several days after the firing finished, due to a relay failed in the "on position" is not something I want to experience.</p>
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<p>5.) Making replacements piecemeal saved us less than $70 a year, by not spending part of the $325 cost of elements and relays for several months. For us this was certainly just not worth the resulting frequent firing failures. One firing failure every year or so is enough for me.</p>
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<p>6.) Industry manufacturing facilities like a prior employer's oil refineries use preemptive maintenance shut-down schedules to replace aging and worn equipment <strong>before</strong> the refinery explodes in flames with a failure. Some have other repair philosophies. While a kiln failure does not create this kind of danger, there's a lot to be said for periodically using the paper test to find the initial heating element failures.</p>
<p></p> My problem is I have never be…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2013-12-01:2103784:Comment:916682013-12-01T01:33:32.205ZKathy Singletonhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/KathySingleton
<p>My problem is I have never been actually able to see anything through the peep holes, not even the witness cones. I am also just testing to see if it will fire to the correct temperature before I put porcelain in to actually fire to cone 6.<br/> <br/> Thank you,<br/> <br/> Kathy</p>
<p>My problem is I have never been actually able to see anything through the peep holes, not even the witness cones. I am also just testing to see if it will fire to the correct temperature before I put porcelain in to actually fire to cone 6.<br/> <br/> Thank you,<br/> <br/> Kathy</p> Ten hours might not be enough…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2013-12-01:2103784:Comment:915902013-12-01T01:09:34.168ZGeorge Lewterhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/GeorgeLewter
<p>Ten hours might not be enough time to reach cone 5 depending on the speed of the firing. Without a pyrometer/thermocouple, one way to watch the progress of a firing is to watch the color of the wares through the peepholes. There are color/temperature charts (one is at <a href="http://lakesidepottery.com/HTML%20Text/Tips/Tempruturerange.htm" target="_blank">Lakeside Pottery</a>) you can use to estimate the temperature easily within 100 degrees once the ware becomes incandescent. Firing a new…</p>
<p>Ten hours might not be enough time to reach cone 5 depending on the speed of the firing. Without a pyrometer/thermocouple, one way to watch the progress of a firing is to watch the color of the wares through the peepholes. There are color/temperature charts (one is at <a href="http://lakesidepottery.com/HTML%20Text/Tips/Tempruturerange.htm" target="_blank">Lakeside Pottery</a>) you can use to estimate the temperature easily within 100 degrees once the ware becomes incandescent. Firing a new kiln or one that has not been used for some time is not a ''Set it and forget it" proposition. Monitoring the progress is an essential component of knowing what is going on in your kiln. So I would recommend refiring and keeping an organized watch over the progress.</p>