Can I use porcelain slip on my stoneware body? - Electric Mid&Hi Fired Ceramics2024-03-28T15:31:45Zhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/can-i-use-porcelain-slip-on-my-stoneware-body?commentId=2103784%3AComment%3A121126&feed=yes&xn_auth=noChantay,
Thanks for the kind…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-04-22:2103784:Comment:1211432015-04-22T19:00:49.775Zjuli longhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/julilong
<p>Chantay,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words! Old picture of buckets. I now use dry cleaner bags, tied at the bottom, and they completely incase my buckets. I then use heavy duty twist ties to tie them up at the top.</p>
<p>Super easy for me, and as long as I see condensation on the bags I know all is well. My buckets are odd shaped, and lids don't fit .</p>
<p>As far as my slip, it goes on smooth also, I just at times like to put it over texture, so I like it dry then so I can kind of dry…</p>
<p>Chantay,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words! Old picture of buckets. I now use dry cleaner bags, tied at the bottom, and they completely incase my buckets. I then use heavy duty twist ties to tie them up at the top.</p>
<p>Super easy for me, and as long as I see condensation on the bags I know all is well. My buckets are odd shaped, and lids don't fit .</p>
<p>As far as my slip, it goes on smooth also, I just at times like to put it over texture, so I like it dry then so I can kind of dry brush it on. I have tons of bells and crosses, I don't like to sell them, I just keep them around for my amusement. I am not real religious so to speak, I just like having them all over the walls. The bells on the other hand, take so much time to complete . Making the beads, and stringing them up. I try to use something I like to hang on the ends for weight. Favorite now are deer antlers.</p>
<p>I have a couple of test tiles with the porcelain , I hope I can see a big difference with the glazes.</p>
<p>Probably not a good idea to get my hopes up, if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>juli</p> Julie,
Wow, I really like yo…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-04-22:2103784:Comment:1212882015-04-22T17:29:00.325ZChantay Poulsenhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/ChantayPoulsen
<p>Julie,</p>
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<p>Wow, I really like your crosses. Thanks for posting the pics. I like the rugged look of them. I may have to try something similar. My sister would love one. I like the bells too. I will have to compare your slip reciepe to the one I have. The one I have goes on supper smooth. I first was using it for carving like on your bells. Have been working on glazes the past six months. About ready to give up. </p>
<p> I like the way you have your glaze buckets…</p>
<p>Julie,</p>
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<p>Wow, I really like your crosses. Thanks for posting the pics. I like the rugged look of them. I may have to try something similar. My sister would love one. I like the bells too. I will have to compare your slip reciepe to the one I have. The one I have goes on supper smooth. I first was using it for carving like on your bells. Have been working on glazes the past six months. About ready to give up. </p>
<p> I like the way you have your glaze buckets covered. I can never get the lids on, then back off. I just lay them on top now. It would be a good idea to use. I have acess to free buckets, but no lids. </p> pictures of the bells on cinc…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-04-21:2103784:Comment:1211262015-04-21T23:34:03.097Zjuli longhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/julilong
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170290?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170290?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170331?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170331?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> pictures of the bells on cinco rojo clay with universal slip . Some have no glaze, just slip, others have some glaze, and some unglazed areas. Frosty satin matte glaze, and matte white.…</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170290?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170290?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170331?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170331?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a>pictures of the bells on cinco rojo clay with universal slip . Some have no glaze, just slip, others have some glaze, and some unglazed areas. Frosty satin matte glaze, and matte white.<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170515?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170515?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127173569?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127173569?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127174738?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127174738?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127175078?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127175078?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> Universal slip on crosses and…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-04-21:2103784:Comment:1212562015-04-21T23:16:15.090Zjuli longhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/julilong
<p>Universal slip on crosses and bells. White and black . applied leather hard. On the crosses I fired them without glaze , just the slip. On my bells, I use frosty satin matte and matte white and some places just bare clay and slip; Cinco rojo clay from armadillo clay.…<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170316?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170316?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a></p>
<p>Universal slip on crosses and bells. White and black . applied leather hard. On the crosses I fired them without glaze , just the slip. On my bells, I use frosty satin matte and matte white and some places just bare clay and slip; Cinco rojo clay from armadillo clay.<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170316?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170316?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170342?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127170342?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127172530?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127172530?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127173593?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127173593?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127174876?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127174876?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127176004?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127176004?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127176096?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3127176096?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> sure will! I have a few in th…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-04-21:2103784:Comment:1212502015-04-21T22:40:01.406Zjuli longhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/julilong
<p>sure will! I have a few in the kiln right now. I will post info in a couple of days. The clay I use is from Trinity ceramics, and it is their cone 6 stoneware. Its buff colored. The porcelain is Frost, from a bag I had. The shrinkage on it is 11%, and the shrinkage on my Trinity cone 6 clay is around 11/12. The universal slip I use is: Bringle Universal slip. (without the borax)</p>
<p>Nepheline Syenite 25</p>
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<p>sure will! I have a few in the kiln right now. I will post info in a couple of days. The clay I use is from Trinity ceramics, and it is their cone 6 stoneware. Its buff colored. The porcelain is Frost, from a bag I had. The shrinkage on it is 11%, and the shrinkage on my Trinity cone 6 clay is around 11/12. The universal slip I use is: Bringle Universal slip. (without the borax)</p>
<p>Nepheline Syenite 25</p>
<p>EPK 20</p>
<p>Ball Clay 20</p>
<p>Silica 30</p>
<p>Bentonite 2</p>
<p>I mix up a couple of hundred grams at a time to yogurt consistency . I put it on at leather hard or bone dry. Cant remember what I added for grey and black. probably red iron ox, and manganese dioxide, and copper carb. tweeted it with the white to get grey.</p>
<p><span>For colors(in %) </span><br/><span>white zircopax 10% </span><br/><span>gold Rutile 20 to 40 % </span><br/><span>Blue cobalt 3% </span><br/><span>Brown Iron ox 20 -40 % </span><br/><span>pea rly green cobalt 3% </span><br/><span>ruitle 20% </span></p>
<p>I put the slip on crosses, bells, and pots. I'll post some pictures of some crosses since I have photos of those.</p> Juli, when you get results wi…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-04-21:2103784:Comment:1211732015-04-21T15:09:18.646ZChantay Poulsenhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/ChantayPoulsen
<p>Juli, when you get results will you post the information? I am trying the same with porcelin over a red clay. It will be several weeks though before I can fire it. I would like to know the name of the clays you are using. I have been trying out numerous clays this spring. Trying to find a good fit with clay and glazes, oooh, the struggle. </p>
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<p>Thanks, Chantay</p>
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<p>Juli, when you get results will you post the information? I am trying the same with porcelin over a red clay. It will be several weeks though before I can fire it. I would like to know the name of the clays you are using. I have been trying out numerous clays this spring. Trying to find a good fit with clay and glazes, oooh, the struggle. </p>
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<p>Thanks, Chantay</p>
<p></p> Thanks so much for the respon…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-03-31:2103784:Comment:1204172015-03-31T02:34:02.476Zjuli longhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/julilong
<p>Thanks so much for the response, it makes a lot of sense. I'll give it a go.</p>
<p>juli</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the response, it makes a lot of sense. I'll give it a go.</p>
<p>juli</p> You will probably find the di…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2015-03-30:2103784:Comment:1204102015-03-30T22:58:45.288ZNorm Stuarthttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/NormStuart
<p>You will probably find the difference in the <strong>shrinkage rate</strong> between your Stoneware and New Zealand Frost Porcelain to be of far greater importance than the relatively small COE difference. Check with Trinity, but the shrinkage rate of the New Zealand Frost is almost certainly far greater than your Stoneware. A thin layer of porcelain will take on the COE of the underlying stoneware clay, so long as the two types of clay remain attached.</p>
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<p>People at our studio…</p>
<p>You will probably find the difference in the <strong>shrinkage rate</strong> between your Stoneware and New Zealand Frost Porcelain to be of far greater importance than the relatively small COE difference. Check with Trinity, but the shrinkage rate of the New Zealand Frost is almost certainly far greater than your Stoneware. A thin layer of porcelain will take on the COE of the underlying stoneware clay, so long as the two types of clay remain attached.</p>
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<p>People at our studio routinely <strong>apply a thin layer of Laguna CN-4110D Oriental Pearl casting slip over other clays to provide a whiter base without cracking</strong>, in spite of it's 14% shrinkage rate. It creates no problems in glazes. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lagunaclay.com/clays/slips/cn4110d.php" target="_blank">http://www.lagunaclay.com/clays/slips/cn4110d.php</a></p>
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<p>This photo will give you a good idea of what you can expect from applying a <strong>thick layer</strong> of high shrinkage porcelain over lower shrinkage Paper Clay.</p>
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<p>I applied a <strong>1/4 inch to 1/2 inch layer</strong> of <strong>New Zealand Frost</strong> which shrinks 11% with a 6.99 COE - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lagunaclay.com/clays/western/wc437.php" target="_blank">http://www.lagunaclay.com/clays/western/wc437.php</a></p>
<p>over <strong>Max's Paper Clay</strong> which shrinks 8% with a 6.05 COE - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lagunaclay.com/clays/western/wc953.php" target="_blank">http://www.lagunaclay.com/clays/western/wc953.php</a></p>
<p>I made the cracks resulting from the 11%-8% clay-shrinkage mismatch a design feature using Cone 6 glazes, with a subsequent Cone 06 glaze application and firing.</p>
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<p>This is the piece with the Frost Porcelain over the Paper Clay after a bisque firing in an old kiln sitter which liked to shut-down too soon - notice the <strong>"carbon lock"</strong> of the incomplete oxidation of carbonaceous material primarily from the paper clay under the porcelain. </p>
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<p>Even after firing to a full bisque this piece looked the same, with very few cracks, except it was white.</p>
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<p>Most of the <strong>cracking</strong>,caused by the shrinkage difference, <strong>occurred in the Cone 6 firing.</strong></p>
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