Mocha Diffusoin - Electric Mid&Hi Fired Ceramics2024-03-28T15:04:47Zhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin?commentId=2103784%3AComment%3A142780&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI emphasize that all discussi…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-18:2103784:Comment:1424752017-06-18T17:03:29.954ZDaniel Spruythttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/DanielSpruyt
<p>I emphasize that all discussions on special slips, pH control and so on are just rubbish....</p>
<p>I emphasize that all discussions on special slips, pH control and so on are just rubbish....</p> Keep in mind that the slip on…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-18:2103784:Comment:1428022017-06-18T17:00:49.500ZDaniel Spruythttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/DanielSpruyt
Keep in mind that the slip on the pot must be fluid and still very wet
Keep in mind that the slip on the pot must be fluid and still very wet To the stain or oxide suspens…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-18:2103784:Comment:1428012017-06-18T16:58:58.622ZDaniel Spruythttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/DanielSpruyt
<p>To the stain or oxide suspension I use approx 1 drop of detergent for 2-3 ml of stain suspension <br/> <br/> <cite>John P. Langer said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin#2103784Comment142707"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Dan, what did you add the tween 80 to? Thanks, John Langer</div>
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<p>To the stain or oxide suspension I use approx 1 drop of detergent for 2-3 ml of stain suspension <br/> <br/> <cite>John P. Langer said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin#2103784Comment142707"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Dan, what did you add the tween 80 to? Thanks, John Langer</div>
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</blockquote> Thanks Norm. I don't know tha…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-17:2103784:Comment:1426022017-06-17T18:07:28.630ZJohn P. Langerhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/JohnPLanger
Thanks Norm. I don't know that I have seen the tween 80 around. I may just try another surfactant. John
Thanks Norm. I don't know that I have seen the tween 80 around. I may just try another surfactant. John All you would add to the Twee…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-17:2103784:Comment:1428002017-06-17T17:21:56.652ZNorm Stuarthttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/NormStuart
<p>All you would add to the Tween-80 is a colorant like black mason stain, iron oxide, or manganese dioxide. The mocha colors in tobacco all vaporize in the kiln leaving no color.</p>
<p>Tween-80 is a liquid detergent used in biochem labs to extract DNA protein from cells, a nonionic detergent without any foaming/sudsing agents. - …</p>
<p>All you would add to the Tween-80 is a colorant like black mason stain, iron oxide, or manganese dioxide. The mocha colors in tobacco all vaporize in the kiln leaving no color.</p>
<p>Tween-80 is a liquid detergent used in biochem labs to extract DNA protein from cells, a nonionic detergent without any foaming/sudsing agents. - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/p4780" target="_blank">http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/p4780</a></p>
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<p>Tween-80 is relatively costly so I'd suggest pure <strong>liquid castile soap</strong> without added fragrances etc. It is a liquid nonionic surfactant made from olive oil which is readily obtainable. If it's too thick you simply dilute it with water, or distilled water to avoid adding ions. Use pure castille soap without added glycerin or other ingredients which eill change how it interacts with the wet clay.</p>
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<p>Laundry detergents like Tide have added foaming agents, deflocculants to remove calcium and magnesium, perfumes and enzymes. Pure liquid castile soap is just the nonionic surfactant, olive oil reacted with an alkalai.</p> Dan, what did you add the twe…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-17:2103784:Comment:1427072017-06-17T12:51:47.861ZJohn P. Langerhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/JohnPLanger
Dan, what did you add the tween 80 to? Thanks, John Langer
Dan, what did you add the tween 80 to? Thanks, John Langer John P. Langer said: Danie…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-17:2103784:Comment:1427062017-06-17T12:49:22.828ZJohn P. Langerhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/JohnPLanger
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<cite>John P. Langer said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=2103784%3AComment%3A142472&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&xg_token=7b4f64161b1414123b8a1a2bb4a56c50&_=1497703741718#2103784Comment142472"><div><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Daniel Spruyt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin?xg_source=msg_mes_network#2103784Comment142577"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In my opinion one…</p>
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<cite>John P. Langer said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=2103784%3AComment%3A142472&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&xg_token=7b4f64161b1414123b8a1a2bb4a56c50&_=1497703741718#2103784Comment142472"><div><br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Spruyt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin?xg_source=msg_mes_network#2103784Comment142577"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In my opinion one can obtain excellent Mocha diffusion without all that hassle of tobacco tea matching acidity and so on by just using a drop of household detergent. I made excellent diffusions adding a drop of TWEEN 80 ( a more 'scientific' kind of detergent) . Unfortunately I discarded pictures where I compared Tobacco, cider vinegar, and Tween 80. Tween 80 works always. Forget tobacco tea, vinegar and whatever complex concoctions.</p>
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</blockquote> Daniel Spruyt said:In my op…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-17:2103784:Comment:1424722017-06-17T12:49:00.723ZJohn P. Langerhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/JohnPLanger
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<cite>Daniel Spruyt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin?xg_source=msg_mes_network#2103784Comment142577"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In my opinion one can obtain excellent Mocha diffusion without all that hassle of tobacco tea matching acidity and so on by just using a drop of household detergent. I made excellent diffusions adding a drop of TWEEN 80 ( a more 'scientific' kind of detergent) . Unfortunately I discarded…</p>
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<cite>Daniel Spruyt said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://cone6pots.ning.com/forum/topics/mocha-diffusoin?xg_source=msg_mes_network#2103784Comment142577"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In my opinion one can obtain excellent Mocha diffusion without all that hassle of tobacco tea matching acidity and so on by just using a drop of household detergent. I made excellent diffusions adding a drop of TWEEN 80 ( a more 'scientific' kind of detergent) . Unfortunately I discarded pictures where I compared Tobacco, cider vinegar, and Tween 80. Tween 80 works always. Forget tobacco tea, vinegar and whatever complex concoctions.</p>
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</blockquote> In my opinion one can obtain…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-12:2103784:Comment:1425772017-06-12T15:33:33.638ZDaniel Spruythttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/DanielSpruyt
<p>In my opinion one can obtain excellent Mocha diffusion without all that hassle of tobacco tea matching acidity and so on by just using a drop of household detergent. I made excellent diffusions adding a drop of TWEEN 80 ( a more 'scientific' kind of detergent) . Unfortunately I discarded pictures where I compared Tobacco, cider vinegar, and Tween 80. Tween 80 works always. Forget tobacco tea, vinegar and whatever complex concoctions.</p>
<p>In my opinion one can obtain excellent Mocha diffusion without all that hassle of tobacco tea matching acidity and so on by just using a drop of household detergent. I made excellent diffusions adding a drop of TWEEN 80 ( a more 'scientific' kind of detergent) . Unfortunately I discarded pictures where I compared Tobacco, cider vinegar, and Tween 80. Tween 80 works always. Forget tobacco tea, vinegar and whatever complex concoctions.</p> I use Robin Hopper's slip rec…tag:cone6pots.ning.com,2017-06-12:2103784:Comment:1427802017-06-12T12:58:59.891ZSusan Amannhttps://cone6pots.ning.com/profile/SusanAmann
<p>I use Robin Hopper's slip recipe in my studio. We did some tests with the acid for the mocha diffusion, trying apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and urine.... with black mason stain in each. The urine worked much better than anything else, until one of my students brought in some female horse urine. I believe I saw a video of Robin mentioning that this worked best... and it does. Another key to success may be the timing, I apply the mocha diffusion mixture almost immediately after pouring on…</p>
<p>I use Robin Hopper's slip recipe in my studio. We did some tests with the acid for the mocha diffusion, trying apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and urine.... with black mason stain in each. The urine worked much better than anything else, until one of my students brought in some female horse urine. I believe I saw a video of Robin mentioning that this worked best... and it does. Another key to success may be the timing, I apply the mocha diffusion mixture almost immediately after pouring on the slip. I get some terrific dendrite patterns. If your mocha patterns are too large for your slip area, remove some of the mocha diffusion mixture from the brush before applying to the slip.</p>